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Environment Comments

Humans believe they are so great, grand and wonderful just because they can vote, but someone has to stand up for wild creatures. We impinge upon their habitats and should learn to live with them.

Wow, I like how you Vets think.

Several items of your platform were interesting and I thought perhaps this might be worth pursuing for us since we are politically active (and frankly, I was considering passing this along to others), but your environmental comments are short-sighted and lack any meaningful understanding of the many issues involved.
Frankly, there seems to be no difference between your position and the position of the Republicans: Rape, Plunder, Pillage, Give Away the environment and all its creatures and resources, and the consequences be damned!
It would seem, if you were truly concerned about the world your grandchildren will inherit, you would consider it diminished by the loss of its creatures and the silence in the woods.
It seems to me, a Biblical interpretation might lead you to recognize that you were charged with stewardship of the Earth and Dominion of its Creatures. We've failed miserably of both counts.

Encouraging extinction will make you extinct!

Agree to a point.

Piss on the oil companies & their high paid lobbyists, the government has paid grant's to universities for decades to come up with alternative energy sources.  Where are the results? Locked up in the Bush ranch barn??? Go solar, go wind ( line em up in DC there's enough wind there to light up New York) Put the think tanks to work. Steve Olson ( member)

Item #5 is asinine, unfortunately.  I wanted to support this party when I found out about it but cannot because of this one issue which places the party in the same category as Republicans.

Environmentalism is going to cause problems for the party. Conservationism is a good thing, but, in all honesty, environmentalism has become a lightning rod for all manner of causes (some of them totally nonintuitive and others totally weird, e.g. PETA, ALF, anti-WTO groups, feminist groups, etc.). As a matter of fact, it may be getting close to impossible to say "we need to be more environmentally conscious" without attracting the attention of factions (and they're bigger and more vocal than you would ever believe) that believe squirrels and birds should be given citizenship (or even more extreme claims).

What I'm trying to say is that environmentalist issues are uncomfortably similar to religious issues (in that they can really effectively divide a good party). So, my advice is that you cut out point 5 entirely, and combine the remaining points into one or two serious anti-petroleum points in the business section of the platform.

Also, you need a lot more information on good alternatives to petroleum and just how bad petroleum is.

Semper Fi,
cpalmer@malaprop.org

You need to update the price of Gas on this page. It hasn't been $2 a gallon for some time.

Good point and done.  Ty

Although it is mentioned in this plank I believe that we need a specific plank that deals with energy. We need to differentiate between fossil fuels and alternative fuels with tax breaks for manufacturers and users in the way of less taxes at the pumps.

When the tree shakers practice what they preach, then everyone will listen. When the Government and environment do-gooders, use clean vehicles, and have green buildings and stop flying everywhere, then maybe the people will take a look at things and make life style changes.

First I would like to point out that the reason the entire country isn't covered with smog is California emissions standards. Because California is such a huge market, the entire industry had to move towards cleaner cars. I like a well thought out potshot as much as the next guy, but 'The smog that Californians and others have created' is neither well thought out, nor clever.

Now, if you want to reduce smog over California, our country, and the entire world, funds need to be shifted. We're investing in marginal solutions, instead of researching long term solutions:

Problem #1) Long term studies of Ethanol show it's impact on oil usage and the environment to be minimal, and the cost in tax credits to be huge. The irony, of course, is that it takes fossil fuels in the amount of roughly all of the energy in the ethanol to grow, distill, and transport to market a gallon of corn-based ethanol. A zero sum game.

Problem #2) If fuel cells are the future of cars, we need to be able to produce the raw energy needed to isolate the hydrogen. Natural gas and coal ('clean' or not) aren't efficient or renewable for this use. And yet, that's currently the plan.

It's time to put our research money and tax breaks into projects that will be able to solve our energy crisis, instead of just patching a leaky roof. The time for baby steps is over. If we want to move on massive, high-efficiency solar farms, we need to mobilize soon, which means grants and tax breaks. If the new advances in tidal power are what we move on, the costal sites need to be researched and prepared.

We can't afford to mess around with measures that don't work anymore. The subsidies that we pay to the corn growers don't need to stop, they need to change. They have huge fields of flat land. If we offered to train their people, if we created corporate partnerships between them and the energy industry... those who farm corn today can be the ones farming solar and wind energy tomorrow.

Bill Ricardi - Mountain View, CA
bricardi@windermere.com

Sounds like your mimicking the Republican party. Strip all the resources from the land so a few people will become wealthy and our kids inherit barren land with all the ill's that come with it. You start your statements right but end up twisting the truth to parrot the republican party.

Air pollution in industrial states versus Echeck tailpipe inspections which costs too much and penalizes the poor? Who gets heard- the old woman with emphysema or the guy who is afraid of losing his only transportation because Ohio Echeck demands he pay out at least $300. to get his clunker fixed? She's on county aid or Medicare and he's got 2 kids and a wife to feed and he works for Wal-Mart after losing his nice factory job.

Both of these VOTERS feels they should be heard.

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